tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post7278894253109043913..comments2023-09-20T12:50:40.208+01:00Comments on Pete Brown: How "87000" glassing injuries a year gave the neopros a bit of a headacheAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-10814798899583427922010-06-13T05:00:47.130+01:002010-06-13T05:00:47.130+01:00Like everywhere else there is a "nanny state&...Like everywhere else there is a "nanny state" tendency to legislate for everything including glassing. In my mind it all have to do with the increase in population, the multicultural craze,the hard rock music, the pressure for the publican to increase sales and instead of enjoying beer and spirits to get pissed as quickly as possible. Take an example, if you walk into a bar full of people and some good western country music is playing, people listen to the words, put on some hard rock, you don't hear anything at all not even the sound when you knock back you drink. With the introduction of a plastic glass I can only presume we will have paper cups within a couple of years.<br />Hans Sander, www.wineandbeerglasses.blogspot.comHans Sanderhttp://www.wineandbeerglasses.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-52304241641759181492010-02-12T22:36:18.061+00:002010-02-12T22:36:18.061+00:00I have travelled to the UK for a 2-3 week holiday ...I have travelled to the UK for a 2-3 week holiday every 2-3 years since 1990. We see at least 1 castle and 1 catherdal each visit. The CAMRA best pub guide is our trip planner. We see 4 to 8 pubs per day. I want to thank all of you for keeping the evildoers away while we are visiting. I have never seen a glass assault during any visit. Hope to return this year.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06021571241950201128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-16007130867185553582010-02-10T09:59:47.919+00:002010-02-10T09:59:47.919+00:00I think they are a good idea but it would be nice ...I think they are a good idea but it would be nice to see the reasoning behind it based on actual fact.DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289287301524705994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-828677458209966822010-02-09T18:47:47.612+00:002010-02-09T18:47:47.612+00:00CleverCleverPhil Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06004741561340806061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-55028791593121928912010-02-08T14:20:30.886+00:002010-02-08T14:20:30.886+00:00I don't care if the figures are bull shit in t...I don't care if the figures are bull shit in this case as I am all for these glasses if it means I can get a better tasting pint around football grounds, I always have to drink well away from the grounds because all the pubs have awful plastic glasses, I always end up late in.<br />It is however strange to concentate on the 6% of the total injuries and would in my humble opinion be better to concentrate tax payers money on sterilisation of Chavs who my mate Ian in the White Hart says are responsible for 68% of stuff that the daily Mail write about.Coxynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-75976650112121905332010-02-07T15:43:11.702+00:002010-02-07T15:43:11.702+00:00Wow - it's pretty dangerous over there. I thin...Wow - it's pretty dangerous over there. I think I'll take my next vacation in someplace safer like Beirut or Karachi instead of Bicester.<br />Less flying glass.Jim-of-ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212270831309322018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-56971896020771151132010-02-07T12:49:14.208+00:002010-02-07T12:49:14.208+00:00This whole story really does uncover how the gover...This whole story really does uncover how the government really do have a wider agenda that involves restricting the sale of alcohol. <br /><br />Either 1) The select few of you who analysed the figures and displayed them in the correct light should be in government. <br /><br />2) The powers that be are completely incompetant & are clutching at votes before the election or:- <br /><br />3)This is part of a wider objective aimed at marginalising drinkers in general with an end game of making drinking socially unacceptable.<br /><br />I myself thinks it's the latter we must fight this tooth and bloody nail or god help us what a world we are ushering in!!!<br /><br />Do your bit, comment on blogs, write letters & send emails!<br /><br />The TRUE fact of the matter the pub is still and always will be the safest social setting to drink and socialise...END OF!!way of the alenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-42813436558808307422010-02-06T20:37:21.150+00:002010-02-06T20:37:21.150+00:00Clive: The Radio Times recently carried a piece ab...Clive: The Radio Times recently carried a piece about pubs and alcohol use in soaps, and used 2004 data to claim booze was half the cost, that drinking had doubled since 1970 etc...Sid Bogglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07452473947039475736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-22327262956018498912010-02-06T20:23:22.883+00:002010-02-06T20:23:22.883+00:00Alan part of the issue as has been alluded to, if ...Alan part of the issue as has been alluded to, if glass injuries are the problem to fix, why have only pint glasses been considered for this treatment, most pubs will have behind the bar an assortment of (and not limited to) half pint glasses, 4 pt glass jugs, wine glasses, wine bottles, shot glasses,spirit tumbler style glasses, soft drink bottles, beer bottles, cider bottles, cocktail glasses.<br /><br />so pint glasses arent the only glass "weapon", yet are the only ones being given this treatment, which is the classic neoprohibitionist view that only pint beer drinking people cause trouble.<br /><br />and its not simply a case of a glass looking or feeling right, beer tastes different out of a glass, than plastic or even a pewter tankard as was once the favoured vessel, and it has alot to do with the chemistry of beer and how bubbles form on material surfaces which can be affected by temperature.,<br /><br />one final point, current pint glasses are deliberately designed to be more resilient/stronger at the moment to cope with constant dishwashing temperature changes, and the atypical battering they get in pub usage, getting stacked, knocked together all the time. But this means when they do smash they produce bigger more dangerous shards. <br /><br />If we accepted thinner glasses instead, that would break more often,so would be an additional cost for a landlord (so maybe not a popular move), but they would be more likely to break into smaller less harmful pieces.Stonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-59054564306103911552010-02-06T18:26:29.535+00:002010-02-06T18:26:29.535+00:00I was awaiting your commentary on this story with ...I was awaiting your commentary on this story with interest. Makes me want to weep that even the BBC don't do basic fact checking.Clivenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-42557689131004205412010-02-06T15:10:26.086+00:002010-02-06T15:10:26.086+00:00We all live and work in our own sad little niches....We all live and work in our own sad little niches. Those that come with beer are just that bit less sad so anyone who can actually pull off a career as beer writer only deserves our envy as far as I can tell. <br /><br />Yet mocking beer blog trolling on Friday night? A fella can only rewatch his old Doctor Who and Captain Scarlet DVDs so often, Pete.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01670495301758701170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-22649057396753002072010-02-06T12:02:59.761+00:002010-02-06T12:02:59.761+00:00I love it!
You spend your Friday night trolling b...I love it!<br /><br />You spend your Friday night trolling blogs, and yet you think I'm the loser here?<br /><br />You must talk me through your thinking on that - unless you intended it as a really funny joke.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-37892929865046755292010-02-05T20:23:06.937+00:002010-02-05T20:23:06.937+00:00I think it's you who's being hysterial, tr...I think it's you who's being hysterial, trying to whip people into a frenzy about "neo-pros". Just get a real job - it's so much more satisfying that desperately trying to carve out a sad little niche as a "beer writer".Pete loves the Straw Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-38212536157154266432010-02-05T17:33:50.865+00:002010-02-05T17:33:50.865+00:00"Why has the government spent so much time an..."Why has the government spent so much time and money on something that, while horrific for those exposed to it, affects fewer people than those hurting themselves trying to put together a crappy IKEA wardrobe?"<br /><br />If the number had been originally stated as 5,000 would there still be a cause to get very angry? You may have a proper point about the accuracy and agenda of the politics but, again, I am at a bit of a loose end trying to figure out your approach to public safety analysis. You may also have a proper point about credulous media but that still does not refute the existence of an underlying issue. <br /><br />It isn't about IKEA furniture or trousers if 5,000 are actually scarred. That is just an absurdist rhetorical reaction and ultimately not helpful any more than the media you accuse are. Is it that 5,000 scarring incidents a year not enough to create a policy over? If so, we need to find that out. Or is it that you doubt even the accuracy of the 5,000? Again, there must be available proof on that point. Or is it a reaction to any regulation as being an example of what they call in the States a "blue law" and inherently only about morality? If that is the case, that is itself a moral point and difficult to raise to the level of discussion.<br /><br />If 5,000 people are actually injured in any activity public safety should require public inquiry and public remedy based on a balancing of interests. What interests are served by preserving glass were the 5,000 injury statistic to be valid? The fact that the glass feels nice to hold? That it is the way things have always been? If serious injuries are real wouldn't anything that would balance off against them have to be pretty important?<br /><br />I think it is key to make sure any anti-neo-prohibitionist argument looks as sensible as possible - in in fact not look like a anti-neo-prohibitionist argument as "neo-prohibitionist" is itself a label that smacks of an absurdist rhetorical reaction. <br /><br />You are not the author of this reaction as it is a commonly used way in beer writing right now of describing the analytical gap from one side of the debate. But I think it behooves us all as thinkers about beer to be better than that if the argument is to be politically compelling and I think it is the case that we can, in fact, make the argument compelling if the facts as yet unknown support it.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01670495301758701170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-45896128390513402102010-02-05T17:13:12.753+00:002010-02-05T17:13:12.753+00:00Is there any reason why drinks such as alcopops wh...Is there any reason why drinks such as alcopops which are consumed in short period of time aren't in plastic bottles (other than arsey branding issues). Not sure of the full story but they would easier and lighter to transport. Cause less mess when dropped (a much large problem I'll wager) and let's face the plastics not going to "taint" them!BLTPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564846497205095201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-44839969750478512562010-02-05T17:12:22.299+00:002010-02-05T17:12:22.299+00:00All this posting about the neopros speaks not so m...All this posting about the neopros speaks not so much about the sick attitude some people have towards alcohol, but about how low journalistic standards seem to have fallen.<br /><br />No wonder more and more people are preferring to read blogs.Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-43228401826904832712010-02-05T17:03:01.950+00:002010-02-05T17:03:01.950+00:00Hmmm...so if 87,000 is the total number of glass a...Hmmm...so if 87,000 is the total number of glass attacks and the 'in pub' figure is only 5,000, that's 82,000 happening somewhere else.<br /><br />Given the number of glasses used in pubs compared to elsewhere and the number of customers passing through in an evening, compared to - generally - lots of couples at House parties where more will not drink because of driving and lots of folk walk to pubs, I struggle to think how assaults with a glass would be at least 16 times as high away from pubs.<br /><br />I don't dispute exaggeration of figures; I'm just not sure this is the answer.Monctonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05886373585966074819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-51278875298598121032010-02-05T14:34:39.800+00:002010-02-05T14:34:39.800+00:00It does the argument no good to be seemingly blase...It does the argument no good to be seemingly blase about the effect of glassing by comparing them to flat-pack furniture injuries; as far as I know, people don't have mental health issues as a result of bodged wardrobe assembly. <br /><br />Glasses can cause really bad accidents. They can cause serious scarring. They can kill. And if there's an alternative which doesn't have those associations, then fan-bloody-tastic. If human ingenuity can prevent stuff like this, then really, what's not to like? <br /><br />The real story here is that the media are such a credulous bunch of churnalistic idiots who have not got the resources to factc heck, led by editors with a propensity for controversy, hyperbole and scandal and scaremongering. They've done exactly the same with the debate on immigration.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01098647093435230168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-45570588188136270472010-02-05T14:20:52.323+00:002010-02-05T14:20:52.323+00:00Ah. You've missed a trick here. It's clear...Ah. You've missed a trick here. It's clearly a case of people getting lamped because someone 'looked at their pint'.<br /><br />Pints come in glasses.<br /><br />You see where this is going? <br /><br />Ban This Sick Glassy Filth, obviously.Mof Gimmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-631279057242777882010-02-05T14:20:06.430+00:002010-02-05T14:20:06.430+00:00the "85,000 who are 'scarred for life'...the "85,000 who are 'scarred for life'," claim is odd. Of the roughly 87000 of attacks using glass 28020 resulted in wounding which is more than minor injury. p25 here http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/hosb0708chap3.pdf<br /><br />Why assume that any attack with a bottle or glass results in someone being 'scarred for life'?<br /><br />Still the sheer number of attacks very high and the number that are percieved to involve alcohol p29 is worrying (but unchanged overtime)Iamreddavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02768287658329807075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-32272145806452103372010-02-05T14:17:19.774+00:002010-02-05T14:17:19.774+00:00I’m concerned about the rash of accidents involvin...I’m concerned about the rash of accidents involving trousers, I think I might stop wearing them — that’ll save me from a lot of damage. Are there any figures for accidents involving kilts or dressing gowns?Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.com