tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post9149459560053015180..comments2023-09-20T12:50:40.208+01:00Comments on Pete Brown: Chancellor punches beer and pubs in the face with one hand - but gives us a clever gift with the otherAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-37724939767394723912011-03-24T15:45:40.756+00:002011-03-24T15:45:40.756+00:004p on a pint - probaly the most misleading way of ...4p on a pint - probaly the most misleading way of describing a tax increase... <br /><br />Beer duty is paid on hl% of alcohol (ie for ever 100 litres (1 hl) of a 3.7% abv beer I make, this equates to 3.7 hl%, on which we pay Duty at a rate of (now)£18.57. This works out at £28.17 for a 9 gallon firkin, or if you prefer just over 39p per pint. This increase works out at £1.90 per firkin or 2.64p per pint. For a 5% abv beer, its now £38.07 per firkin (53p per pint), and increase of £2.56 per firkin or 3.56p per pint. <br />Hmmm. not going according to plan this... 4p per pint doesn't come in until 5.6% abv... <br />But of course, the bloody VAT... so we're lookng for an incrase of £2.40 per fikin plus VAT - 4.7% abv, well just under actually... <br /><br />Confused yet?<br /><br />The other thing to add in are the the increases in the Brewers' costs of production - fuel, wages, other taxes, insurance, etc - all up year on year. Realistically, and personally speaking, (says he covering his arse leagally!) I'd expect the average increase in firkin to be in the region of £4-£5, which is 9p on a pint before any increase in the landlord's margin. Given the fact that no one wants to faff around with copper coins, that's least 10p by the time we get to the pumps. <br /><br />Oh, and less money for the Treasury at the end of it. MarvellousBuster, Brewer of Breconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-69535570313225625012011-03-24T11:12:16.282+00:002011-03-24T11:12:16.282+00:00@Ketsbaia, the RPI is 5.5% so duty rates will go u...@Ketsbaia, the RPI is 5.5% so duty rates will go up by 7.5%. (I think you are confusing RPI with CPI.) This will add 4p to the duty to be paid on each pint, which pubs will presumably wish to pass on to consumers in order to keep their profit margins the same.<br /><br />In October, beer above 7.5% abv will get a further increase of 25% over the duty of ordinary strength beer, adding a further 25p to the duty on a can of Special Brew.Jonathan Harleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842462025041520848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-2361869188007044932011-03-24T10:46:42.188+00:002011-03-24T10:46:42.188+00:00Jealous, deGarre?
Not at all. Funny how some peo...Jealous, deGarre?<br /><br />Not at all. Funny how some people seem to think any criticism of unearned privilege equates to wishing we had that privilege.<br /><br />No, my problem with Little Gideon's inheritance is that he has never had to work, has never had to worry about money or budgeting on one single day in his life, has led a closeted, over-privileged existence, and now he's in charge of telling the UK how we have to cut back, rein in, cut down, economise, while he and his banker mates suffer not one iota of the discomfort the rest of the nation must endure. I think he is unfit to be chancellor. Simple as that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-83568251533280409382011-03-24T10:29:33.805+00:002011-03-24T10:29:33.805+00:00Pete, are you jealous of Little George's inher...Pete, are you jealous of Little George's inheritance?<br /><br /> cheers,<br /> DeGarreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-65687095577900272812011-03-24T00:28:34.759+00:002011-03-24T00:28:34.759+00:00So, if the tax rise on a pint is 4p, why do I have...So, if the tax rise on a pint is 4p, why do I have to pay 10p more a pint? If you mean protecting gross profits % margins, then is that extra 6p goin g to the landlord or brewer? Why not put the price up by the tax? When tax goes up a penny a litre on fuel, the pump price increases by, wowsers, a penny a litre. Why does beer work differently?Tom Mannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-47104664834435042222011-03-23T22:08:18.761+00:002011-03-23T22:08:18.761+00:00Or there's the Albertos' born-again countr...Or there's the Albertos' born-again country song, where the chorus begins<br />"Since I found Jesus,<br /> I don't smoke dope no more"<br /><br />By the end of the song it's turned into<br /><br />"Since I found Jesus,<br /> I don't smoke dope no more -<br /> But I ain't gonna smoke it any less either!"Philhttp://ohgoodale.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-37190332252387932002011-03-23T21:49:16.149+00:002011-03-23T21:49:16.149+00:00"As always the pub customer reads 4p on a pin..."As always the pub customer reads 4p on a pint but on monday they go into the pub and its gone up 10p so they think (as they don't understand GP's) that the landlord is taking the mick by putting an extra 6p on for themselves when this is not the case."<br /><br />Umm. It is the case when you think about it. Trade Unions used to defend differentials in much the same way.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-1046100825075169572011-03-23T21:41:47.621+00:002011-03-23T21:41:47.621+00:00personally I think we should respond to this stuff...personally I think we should respond to this stuff apolitically, Labour did pull the same trick for many years in the budget on car tax, airport tax, the pre-budget report for years hid april tax rises which the chancellor didnt have to repeat in the main budget and Diane Abbott (Labour shadow health minister) was this week encouraging the government to go further on the increase on beer tax with such soundbites like "It is wrong that very young children can get out of their skulls for less money than it takes to buy a bottle of coca cola"<br /><br />I would say Id love to know where she buys her beer from then, but then we all know the nice public subsidised House of Commons bars open all hours arent quite in the same price bracket that the rest of us have to put with.<br /><br />but we shouldnt be making this about personalities, its the beer duty escalator policy and policy on beer tax and the pub trade thats wrong and we need to concentrate on getting politicians of all parties to properly understand the harm it doesStonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656315721111561414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-16840932452117211612011-03-23T20:59:35.869+00:002011-03-23T20:59:35.869+00:00Angry beyond belief, though we knew it was coming....Angry beyond belief, though we knew it was coming. And to skip over it like that added insult to injury.<br /><br />The Germans won't accept anyting other than nominal duty on beer - it's about bloody time we took a leaf out their book.Eddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03402958176140459186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-77889653358694003572011-03-23T20:54:57.077+00:002011-03-23T20:54:57.077+00:00Mudgie. Funnily enough I knew that. Short term in ...Mudgie. Funnily enough I knew that. Short term in the extreme and each time it just makes things worse. It is cumulative and daft.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-27568543866435135062011-03-23T20:35:52.134+00:002011-03-23T20:35:52.134+00:00As a brewery director I have spoken with several o...As a brewery director I have spoken with several other brewers and landlords after the budget this afternoon and none of us can believe what happened today. Yes we expected something (we usually get stung) but after all the hard work of SIBA, CAMRA and other organisations explaining the importance of the breweries and the pubs for the government revenue we did not expect the 6% rise. As always the pub customer reads 4p on a pint but on monday they go into the pub and its gone up 10p so they think (as they don't understand GP's) that the landlord is taking the mick by putting an extra 6p on for themselves when this is not the case. Also why change it on sunday? as a result every brewery has 2 duty returns to do as well as re-print price lists & inform all there customers of the price change and all before sunday and yes I will join the "Kicking in the face " line but won't tell anyone so i can get away with it......Martin - Elland Brewerynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-40451581921595608982011-03-23T20:18:22.513+00:002011-03-23T20:18:22.513+00:00Blame Brown and Labour for the escalator. They int...Blame Brown and Labour for the escalator. They introduced it. Thanks to that bunch UK plc is up shtcreek and so obviously luxuries will be taxed. A sense of perspective is needed. I doubt if craft brew drinkers will even notice such a modest increase. If breweries and pubs fail it is more likely due to their 'offer' i.e. Uninteresting beer in unpleasant pubs than a couple of quid on a firkin. Beer is still cheaper in the UK that Eu or USA if you calculate like for like ABV and volume.Eddienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-2826972209932310672011-03-23T18:38:59.159+00:002011-03-23T18:38:59.159+00:00"How do we get to 10p a pint increase?"
...<i>"How do we get to 10p a pint increase?"</i><br /><br />Gross Margin, innit? A 4p per pint increase in duty and VAT is doubled up to 8p to maintain the pub's GM percentage, and then rounded up to 10p. Short-term sense, long-term death.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-17000020288989255302011-03-23T18:20:12.297+00:002011-03-23T18:20:12.297+00:00Pete - I heard them say on Radio Five Live that al...Pete - I heard them say on Radio Five Live that alcohol duties had been "frozen" so I accept you do have a good point. Several people had to text in to correct them.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-90224940790770544612011-03-23T18:19:12.223+00:002011-03-23T18:19:12.223+00:00So clear this up for me. How do we get to 10p a pi...So clear this up for me. How do we get to 10p a pint increase?Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-82486457973134278542011-03-23T17:51:48.563+00:002011-03-23T17:51:48.563+00:00I'd read the news and been misled, so thanks f...I'd read the news and been misled, so thanks for the clarification.Graham Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05125684354979529715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-4946098780402921522011-03-23T17:43:47.119+00:002011-03-23T17:43:47.119+00:00Thanks Pete, my inner class warrior needed a boost...Thanks Pete, my inner class warrior needed a boost.Jeff Pickthallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06343140031285101096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-4371483113386237352011-03-23T17:34:00.726+00:002011-03-23T17:34:00.726+00:00I don't see the problem. It's not like be...I don't see the problem. It's not like beer is being unduly punished by blanket opinions of poorer quality lagers and actually decent beer..... oh...<br />at least pubs aren't closing at a rate of 29...oh...<br />well it's not like pubs were a place to socialise or a great cultural aspect of our country....ahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-15449994768679013802011-03-23T17:33:54.753+00:002011-03-23T17:33:54.753+00:00lets be honest no one reads budget document even m...lets be honest no one reads budget document even most jernalists will have only listened to the speach, personally i picked up on the word additional and smelt a rat but had no idea of details till i read this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-69683134563142578762011-03-23T16:51:41.433+00:002011-03-23T16:51:41.433+00:00Where do you get 7.2% from? I thought inflation wa...Where do you get 7.2% from? I thought inflation was 4.4%, so by my reckoning, that's a 'mere' 6.4% rise. <br /><br />Still disgraceful and Osbourne was being entirely disingenuous when he said there was no additional increase. I'm entering the spirit by trusting him no less than I used to.Eddie Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308640224702903953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-76357147707569887842011-03-23T16:48:19.341+00:002011-03-23T16:48:19.341+00:00No, Mudgie, it's not. because people DON'...No, Mudgie, it's not. because people DON'T read budget documents. They read newspapers and websites. And the newspapers and websites are saying duty has NOT increased. Or at least, they were when it was announced in such a misleading fashion. That's what people now think.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-48287368428537927012011-03-23T16:41:37.645+00:002011-03-23T16:41:37.645+00:00This saddens me to see the UK government continuin...This saddens me to see the UK government continuing to increase the tax on small brewers and pubs. <br /><br />In the states, we have been working relentlessly to get them to lower our tax rates per barrel and currently enjoy one of the lowest global tax rates per barrel. This has had an obvious bonus to growth as the US is now home to 1700+ craft breweries and growing. This is the largest number since pre-prohibition. <br /><br />This translates to more jobs, more tax dollars and a more robust economy. <br /><br />Why is it so difficult for government to understand the benefits of promoting small business?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122572839962762838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-11362843708228432022011-03-23T16:40:32.144+00:002011-03-23T16:40:32.144+00:00I have no plans to hail this post as brilliantly c...I have no plans to hail this post as brilliantly clear and insightful, or at least no more than I did just after I'd finished reading it.Get to the pub.comhttp://gettothepub.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-19357285600966080002011-03-23T16:40:31.559+00:002011-03-23T16:40:31.559+00:00I like what you tagged it as. More people need to ...I like what you tagged it as. More people need to know that twatheads real namebeersiveknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13293913182389157112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-58429278506034040642011-03-23T16:37:34.878+00:002011-03-23T16:37:34.878+00:00The budget document clearly says:
"Alcohol d...The budget document clearly says:<br /><br /><i>"Alcohol duty rates – As first announced at Budget 2008, alcohol duty rates will increase by 2 per cent above the RPI on 28 March 2011. This will add 4 pence to the price of a pint of beer, 15 pence to the price of a bottle of wine, and 54 pence to the price of a bottle of spirits."</i><br /><br />So, if you had any interest in the subject, you'd have to be pretty thick to miss that.<br /><br />Your reaction is a tad over the top, I think.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.com