tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post1753727414364564705..comments2023-09-20T12:50:40.208+01:00Comments on Pete Brown: BrewDog rapped for Speedball beer drug connotationsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-12529741332717010382009-01-23T11:19:00.000+00:002009-01-23T11:19:00.000+00:00I wouldn't be so arrogant as to tell anyone how th...I wouldn't be so arrogant as to tell anyone how they *should* make their beer decisions :)<BR/><BR/>I'm just saying that the name of a beer is marketing, just the same as the guy drinking it on telly is marketing. Whether either of these affects one's decision to purchase is up to oneself -- my point is just that they work in exactly the same way.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-5978765839638507142009-01-23T11:03:00.000+00:002009-01-23T11:03:00.000+00:00sorry Beer Nut i thought you saying we should only...sorry Beer Nut i thought you saying we should only make our descisions on the basis of the beer not on other factors. I can on off on one given half a chance well 1/8th of a chance well pretty well any opportunity reallyBLTPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564846497205095201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-4988300873110509372009-01-23T09:08:00.000+00:002009-01-23T09:08:00.000+00:00That's strange, BLTP. You say you don't agree with...That's strange, BLTP. You say you don't agree with me, and then outline pretty much exactly the argument I'm making:<BR/><BR/>"the look of the pub, the look of barman, the label, the colour of the beer, it's name, place of origin ... if someone you like is drinking the same thing on telly that will influence you as well"<BR/><BR/>That's exactly my point.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-176060403679059982009-01-22T16:00:00.000+00:002009-01-22T16:00:00.000+00:00Fraid can't agree Beer nut we make a miriad of de...Fraid can't agree Beer nut we make a miriad of descision/choices when buying a pint from the look of the pub, the look of barman, the label, the colour of the beer, it's name, place of origin etc. What the brewer decides to call a beer says alot about how they view it and how you in turn should view it. Of course what the beer taste(assuming you can taste before you buy) like matters but dismiss the above is to dismiss the basis most human descision making. And yes if someone you like is drinking the same thing on telly that will influence you as well. If all the above wasn't true tv ads would just be list of the relative benefits of products and there would only beone kind of ketchup in the world, Heinz which clearly is the best on every level including the name!BLTPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564846497205095201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-9739133773243868052009-01-22T09:50:00.000+00:002009-01-22T09:50:00.000+00:00I think not buying a beer because it has a stupid ...I think not buying a beer because it has a stupid name is exactly the same as buying a beer because the person drinking it on telly is clever or attractive.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-91331325766626327432009-01-22T01:47:00.000+00:002009-01-22T01:47:00.000+00:00I don't know, me laddos. I think if your goal is t...I don't know, me laddos. I think if your goal is to give an insult, make sure it sticks. Put your big boots on. The shadowy Portman Group is one of the weirdest forms of nannyish tisk-tiskery I have ever come across and this is all just a morality play about who is the real fool here.<BR/><BR/>Put it this way: if there was a bad 80s big hair heavy metal band who released an album called <I>Speedball</I> as part of a comeback, there would be no outrage and no fear of backlash even though many more folk would get their hands on a copy. It would just be a laugh. This is simple self-importance from the SPG and serves, apparently successfully, as a useful distraction from the source of the real problems with kids and booze.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01670495301758701170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-92154154404166639262009-01-22T01:02:00.000+00:002009-01-22T01:02:00.000+00:00drug connotations aside am I the only one who find...drug connotations aside am I the only one who finds humorous beer names a bit tiresome and sad. the whole "pint of old dirty dick" side of beer i find off putting and a bit dull.<BR/>I don't mind a bit of creativity but I wouldn't have bought speedball for all it's craft beer virtues because it's got a rubbish name.<BR/>I'm not too cool for school but I can't be bothered ordering a beer with some half pun or double entendre on the label.BLTPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06564846497205095201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-72802543228668779762009-01-21T21:31:00.000+00:002009-01-21T21:31:00.000+00:00In my drug taking days a speedball was one of thos...In my drug taking days a speedball was one of those concoctions one would try and avoid, wasn’t one of them that killed John Belushi or someone like that? It’s not a point of being careful or politically correct but would you have a beer called junkie (or John Keys as The Fall used to sing), crackhead, smackhead, base-jumper or downer? It all sounds a bit loser-ish, or maybe like those grandads who relive their punk days by getting what is left of their hair done into a mohican and dancing to the UK Subs (surely the UK’s worst ever band). Punk’s dead after all. Given that the lads are based up in Scotland this smacks (pun intentional) of the Jesus and Mary Chain’s confrontational approach back in the 1980s, so you could say they were just being edgy and Trainspotterish; there will be leather trousers given out with the beers next.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-39773369747253309672009-01-21T13:55:00.000+00:002009-01-21T13:55:00.000+00:00Thanks for the tip Beer Nut and you do have a poin...Thanks for the tip Beer Nut and you do have a point. But it's one of freedom and that isn't an option.<BR/><BR/>SAORSA!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-92017201531400497852009-01-21T12:35:00.000+00:002009-01-21T12:35:00.000+00:00Surely the Portman Group should compaign that Rip ...Surely the Portman Group should compaign that Rip Tide might encourage drinkers to swim in dangerous waters, which is clearly irresponsible.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-73010842076372742262009-01-21T12:05:00.000+00:002009-01-21T12:05:00.000+00:00I bought mine in Ølbutikken, Fatman. It's well wor...I bought <A HREF="http://thebeernut.blogspot.com/2008/11/energiser.html" REL="nofollow">mine</A> in <A HREF="http://www.olbutikken.dk/" REL="nofollow">Ølbutikken</A>, Fatman. It's well worth a visit.<BR/><BR/>I think this case works on exactly the same principle as the one for Skullsplitter or Rip Tide -- it's the label of a beer for grown-ups, not a glorification of illegal drugs, nor an attempt to lure kiddies into binge drinking. If we start banning any beer labelling which can be associated with any illegal activities, it becomes a slippery slope. Hemp beers will be next, then rauchbiers.<BR/><BR/>I think Shepherd Neame's "Killing Germans Is Funny" campaigns are much worse than this.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-39186195419059098422009-01-21T10:35:00.000+00:002009-01-21T10:35:00.000+00:00Though I think the Portman Group is run by po-face...Though I think the Portman Group is run by po-faced idiot, I can't have any sympathy for BrewDog over this one - most people in the UK, if they hear the word "speedball", will think of drugs. CAlling a beer Speedball is just handing your enemies a stick with which to whack you.<BR/><BR/>That aside, did anyone notice the contradiction/error in the story? It starts by asserting: "Scottish brewer BrewDog has had its Speedball beer brand pulled from UK shelves", and then says seven pars later: "A retailer alert bulletin will be issued to retailers in the UK, urging them to remove the drink from sale until its marketing is altered to comply with the code." So BrewDog hasn't had its brand pulled from the shelves - retailers have merely been requested to remove it ... was this the Portman Group spinning its press release to try to disguise the fact that it actually has no power to pull anything from anybody's shelves at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-22687517045539681292009-01-21T09:53:00.000+00:002009-01-21T09:53:00.000+00:00I was glad to see the PG kick out the complaints r...I was glad to see the PG kick out the complaints regards BD's other beers before Christmas, and in general, if you check the decision history on their site, you'll see they are a balanced bunch - far more balanced than some of the plaintiffs. (That doesn't excuse some of their owners that still take the p*ss out the code and get away with it).<BR/><BR/>But on this one the PG are spot on and BD have lost a little of my respect. This is an important issue, for pr reasons as much as anything - the industry is being attacked constantly and social responsibility must be practiced and seen to be practiced. 'Jacks Old Fallover' isn't funny anymore anyway.<BR/><BR/>So I agree, BeerNut, that it is only a beer but this time BD looks foolish. The campaign to help Orkney and Skullsplitter out involved the all parliamentary beer group and Robert Humphries making a lot of noise about it - it did make a big difference. They will distance themselves from this issue altogether if other micros continue in this needlessly provocative manner.<BR/><BR/>That said, anyone know where I can get a bottle?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-46903523090240034652009-01-21T09:18:00.001+00:002009-01-21T09:18:00.001+00:00A bit. I see where you're coming from, I see why t...A bit. I see where you're coming from, I see why there are objections to this, but on the other hand <I>FFS, it's a beer. It will </I>not<I> lead anyone into taking class A drugs.</I><BR/><BR/>And besides which, the drinks industry doesn't excactly have the high moral ground on the drugs issue, since misuse of the one they sell causes far more human misery and social problems than any of the others put together.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-55873834546831407562009-01-21T09:18:00.000+00:002009-01-21T09:18:00.000+00:00I suppose Portman have been wanting to stick it to...I suppose Portman have been wanting to stick it to Brew Dog again, and Brew Dog themselves seem to believe that all publicity is good publicity, and that its a laugh to wind PG up. I can't see how this helps though.<BR/><BR/>If they were going to market something that exposed Portman's hypocrisy, that would be useful. This seems like an easy knockdown that could spin off into a bashing exercise for lazy tabloid journos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-38519194041200535872009-01-21T09:03:00.000+00:002009-01-21T09:03:00.000+00:00That it happened on the same day as Brewdog featur...That it happened on the same day as Brewdog featured on the Oz Clarke / James May drinking their way round Britain TV show (touchy subject I know) is a bit unfortunate as well isn't it?The Bocking Kellyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240585512893244560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-28698568143700141922009-01-21T08:15:00.000+00:002009-01-21T08:15:00.000+00:00Do the Portman Group have nothing better to do tha...Do the Portman Group have nothing better to do than worry about the names of beer and their potential connotations? Or is their version of "protecting the consumer" more akin to wrapping people in cotton wool and taking away their critical faculties?Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.com