tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post4726078187828447229..comments2023-09-20T12:50:40.208+01:00Comments on Pete Brown: Funky Cool MedinaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-44039273573949141532012-04-27T14:34:34.768+01:002012-04-27T14:34:34.768+01:00Hi Pete
Drank a lovely pint of this beer in Old No...Hi Pete<br />Drank a lovely pint of this beer in Old No 7 in Barnsley on Tuesday.<br />Very good indeed.<br />Had to put my glasses on to read the pump clip before I realised what it was called I was attracted to the word Saison myself didn't take anymore notice other than the fact I like Ilkley Brewery beers and read your blog<br />Cheers<br />Rock & Roll DocThe Man That Time Forgothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13436992291191548621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-78055593557456899272012-04-14T10:46:44.574+01:002012-04-14T10:46:44.574+01:00@Pete Brown
Exactly. And Muslims offended by this...@Pete Brown<br /><br />Exactly. And Muslims offended by this is either ignorant at the fact that medina is a generic word meaning town (ie, there are many medinas is north african countries) or they just intentionally want to make trouble.<br /><br />Shame really, this type of bullying attitude among muslims does more damage to their own community than anything else.Xaviernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-78867115050752164382012-04-13T18:02:35.126+01:002012-04-13T18:02:35.126+01:00Pete, glad you enjoyed your time in Ilkley. The be...Pete, glad you enjoyed your time in Ilkley. The beer sounds fantastic I cant wait to try it. I tried some of Melissa's Siberia last night in Bartat in Ilkley and it was fabulous.<br /><br />Regarding the naming, no one has mentioned that Mecca has been a gambling brand in the UK for as long as I can remember. <br /><br />Some folk will find offence in anything. A tiny bit sad how narrow minded people can be.MadProfOldfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-89379083581966470702012-04-13T12:54:16.526+01:002012-04-13T12:54:16.526+01:00Amazingly, no-one here has mentioned the Tone Loc ...Amazingly, no-one here has mentioned the Tone Loc track "Funky Cold Medina", which is clearly alluded to in the beer's name. I trust that those who are offended by this beer will also contact Mr Loc to demand that he withdraw his disgracefully titled record from sale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-5326657213519009832012-04-13T10:55:59.580+01:002012-04-13T10:55:59.580+01:00As someone just noted on my site, in Spain there i...As someone just noted on my site, in Spain there is a beer called<a href="http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/9262/32806/?sort=topr&start=0" rel="nofollow"> Mesquita</a> (Spanish for Mosque) freely available in supermarkets. No Muslim has yet decided to take offence at that Mosque beer.<br /><br />I believe this Medina controversy just reflects the opportunism of certain UK Muslim "community leaders" who saw a chance to make themselves feel important by stirring up a bit of trouble. <br /><br />As Pete says, you'd really have to go out of your way to take offence at this. It is sad that some people think it is worth the round trip.authorhttp://www.jesusandmo.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-62985329885700396842012-04-12T15:36:33.964+01:002012-04-12T15:36:33.964+01:00Just spoken about this on the BBC Asian Network. ...Just spoken about this on the BBC Asian Network. I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about it because I don't think it merits one, but here's what I've got to say on the point about causing offence.<br /><br />If you're a Muslim, you think of 'Medina' as a holy city, and I respect that. However, I didn't even know Medina was the second most holy city in Islam until this morning because there's no reason why I should. If you're not a Muslim - and most people in the UK are not - you don't think of a holy city at all, but of dense city centres in North Africa, specifically Morocco and Tunisia, where there are a great many city centre districts called medinas - and where, incidentally, beer is sold because alcohol is legal in those countries.<br /><br />So which meaning of Medina are we linking to?<br /><br />Well, given that it says 'Moroccan Saison' on the label, I don't think there can be any doubt that we are referring specifically to the word in its north African sense not its Muslim holy sense. (In Arabic it literally means 'town', not 'holy place' or anything like that).<br /><br />The word has two meanings. And while Islam has one set of associations with the word, I'm afraid it doesn't own the word or have a monopoly on it. Given that we have very clearly pointed out that we are using the word NOT in its Islamic religious sense, I completely reject the idea that there are reasonable grounds for Muslims to take offence.<br /><br />Furthermore, this beer is only available in a handful of pubs - places you wouldn't expect to see very many practising Muslims - and on my blog, which, again, I wouldn't expect anyone who is a strict, practising Muslim to have the slightest interest in reading. So I think you would actually have to go quite far out of your way to take offence at this beer.<br /><br />If we were deliberately trying to cause offence - as some have argued - we could have done so much more effectively by calling the beer 'Mecca', or even 'Mohammed'. Of course we never would do such a thing, because that really would be offensive, and because we genuinely had no desire to create any offence. And anyway - I don't think pissing off a large group of people has ever been noted as a particularly effective selling tool in any market.<br /><br />As for why we chose Medina instead of other words like Marrakech, Casablanca, Souk etc - we could have, and we did kick a few alternatives around. But we chose Medina precisely because it was the word that most strongly evoked the sights and sounds, and more importantly the smells and tastes, that make a trip to Marrakech so wonderful, and which this beer so strongly recreates. <br /><br />As for the image - it reflects a generic, romantic sense of place. I don't think it looks like a spaceship. I don't think it looks like a mosque. I think it looks like the kind of image anyone would use to evoke a sense of place, whether you were talking about the Arabian Nights tales, Aladdin, holidays to North Africa or the Middle East whatever.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-24172181467960768932012-04-12T14:48:37.637+01:002012-04-12T14:48:37.637+01:00If it looks like a mosque and has a minaret what d...If it looks like a mosque and has a minaret what do you expect people to think, that it's an alien spaceship? Combine that with the name - the 2nd holiest city in Islam - and it's bound to offend. Perhaps a little common sense wouldn't go amiss, regardless of the intention. The name Medina and the image of a minaret aren't the first things people associate with N Africa, a camel however would be.shakil_90https://www.blogger.com/profile/13608832403515231624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-74721175877493940872012-04-11T12:51:56.593+01:002012-04-11T12:51:56.593+01:00fink it’s a minaret actually… ;-)fink it’s a minaret actually… ;-)Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-35004298770279066682012-04-11T12:32:21.059+01:002012-04-11T12:32:21.059+01:00Mystal,
How do you know it's a Mosque?
It&#...Mystal, <br /><br />How do you know it's a Mosque?<br /><br />It's an image that evokes North Africa/Morocco.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-35280734276144301452012-04-11T11:59:27.797+01:002012-04-11T11:59:27.797+01:00@Mystal, to provoke comics like this one: http://w...@Mystal, to provoke comics like this one: http://www.jesusandmo.net/2012/04/11/Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-68173821382658624912012-04-11T11:01:25.366+01:002012-04-11T11:01:25.366+01:00Why put a picture of a mosque on the beer?Why put a picture of a mosque on the beer?Mystalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15820034114015441351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-79580866616410524412012-04-11T07:19:54.940+01:002012-04-11T07:19:54.940+01:00Whoops - that should have been 300g of ground cori...Whoops - that should have been 300g of ground coriander. And I've corrected the bit about 'terrified wheat' as well. <br /><br />Blimmin spellcheck.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03011702209832734676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-64880939331775638792012-04-10T21:11:23.723+01:002012-04-10T21:11:23.723+01:00So that's 450 grams of ground ginger then.So that's 450 grams of ground ginger then.DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289287301524705994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-35999613950176672072012-04-10T17:21:16.498+01:002012-04-10T17:21:16.498+01:00Is this collaboration brewing with beer writers a ...Is this collaboration brewing with beer writers a new thing in England? I've been doing that for a year or so. It's fun because beer writers have just enough distance to think of things that might not occur to a brewer. We ended up doing a staghorn sumac saison that we called Manitou. <br /><br />http://saintjohnswort.ca/2011/08/18/so-you-want-to-be-a-brewer-st-johns-wortcheshire-valley-manitou/Jordan St.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-14788024793731461832012-04-10T16:58:51.458+01:002012-04-10T16:58:51.458+01:00pete, you done a fantastic job describing what I w...pete, you done a fantastic job describing what I would call the James Bond of beers.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-54985425241463997632012-04-10T10:52:28.470+01:002012-04-10T10:52:28.470+01:00There's so much binary, black-and-white thinki...<i>There's so much binary, black-and-white thinking in the beer world</i><br /><br />No there isn't.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30743480.post-46591755315862516322012-04-10T10:06:28.730+01:002012-04-10T10:06:28.730+01:00Excellent post Pete. The beer sounds superb and ca...Excellent post Pete. The beer sounds superb and cant wait to try it. I was invited to the Ilkley brewery a few weeks ago. Stewart Ross was the perfect host.They brew some excellent beers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00471253310229041882noreply@blogger.com